I've even read about what it means to have a relationship with God recently, but I must not have been paying close attention, because I don't remember where it was or when or what was said.
When questions like this come up I tend to think that my experience with God must be entirely different from anyone else's. Then it strikes me that everyone's relationship with God is different from everyone else's, and that is one of the ideas that I have been grappling with ever since the Grace Church ladies beach retreat last summer. We make a mistake when we expect God to relate to us in exactly the same way that He has related in the past to someone else. God made each of us different. Of course there are similarities because there is similarity in every aspect of human experience, but sameness does not reign. There is a Psalm I read not long ago that I felt spoke to this:
O LORD, Thou hast searched me and known me.
Thou dost know when I sit down and when I rise up;
Thou dost understand my thought from afar.
Thou dost scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And art intimately acquainted with all my ways.
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O LORD, Thou dost know it all.
Thou hast enclosed me behind and before,
And laid Thy hand upon me.
Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is too high, I cannot attain to it....
(Psalm 139: 1-6 NASB)Why was I reading Psalm 139 at that time, whenever it was that I read it last? I can't figure out when it was because I haven't gotten to that one yet in the course of my morning readings, but I have thought of these words from the Psalm often because it was a comfort to me. God knows my thoughts and is acquainted with all my ways. This is the one that goes on to talk about how I was formed, and known before I was even born. It says the same about you.
I think the reason I often don't bring things like this up in a group is because I worry about needlessly complicating matters for someone who doesn't approach these things in the same way that I do.
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So, what trouble do you have with the word "relationship" as a description of what happens between you and God? I get why you don't bring it up in a group setting. But, what I didn't get from reading your post is what bothers you about that term in the first place.
I'm debating right now whether to put the long-form answer in a future blog post, or put it all down right here. Essentially, the problem I have with the word is that we've been glibly using it for most of my life, and I really don't know what it means. How can you have a relationship with someone you can't see, who is so far beyond what you are that you aren't even in the same category? I'm making Job's complaint all over again, with far less beauty and finesse, but why do we assume that calling it a relationship answers anything? I would really like to hear some other people's answers. What do you mean when you say you have a relationship with God, if you do in fact profess to have one?
I noticed another problem when I reread what I had written (actually having written it last week and scheduled it to post this morning) The Psalm that I quote doesn't speak to what a relationship with God is. It speaks to the fact that He is completely familiar with me. It comforts me because it says He knows how my mind works in all its peculiarity, even that He made it that way on purpose.
I think those are important questions. Certainly not something "needlessly complicating," as you put it. Definitely worth a blog post of its own, and maybe a good way to get some comments going.
Dude, I purposefully complicating matters for someone who doesn't approach these things in the same way that I do.
Today at work I ask God, "How old are you?"
"I have no age." I knew the answer already, but if was fun to ask. In a way was like admitting that I have no clue and that this is one of those things that by nature of being defined by limits, I couldn't solve, but believed and lived by it without any real understanding.
Relationship with someone you can't see? I don't know, but considering that I'm a single guy, and that my entire life is devoted to show the grace of one who can't be seen, well, there you have it. Nothing and everything.
Thanks for that, Damon. Please read and comment as often as possible.
The way you have a relationship with someone unseen is that the relationship cannot be defined in human terms. There has to be an all powerful epicness governing it and watching it at all times.
I clicked to your blog through facebook, and this post reminded me of an article I read a few years ago. Luckily, I was able to find it:
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=11-05-013-v
The most interesting part of that article, for me, is Dr. Toon's claim that the language of "personal relationship" is very modern and not part of historical Christian theology or devotion.
I don't care how you got here, Lanier. I'm just glad you came by, and you brought me an article. That's wonderful. I look forward to reading it this afternoon.
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